As an ID, I talked with the structural engineer about product chamfering and learned.........

2020-08-25 Digital Intelligence 19230 56 236

小龙设计铺

China · Digital Intelligence

As an ID, I talked with the structural engineer about product chamfering and learned.........

2020-08-25 Digital Intelligence 19230 56 236

小龙设计铺

China · Digital Intelligence

When doing product design, more communication with structural engineers can let us learn a lot about processing and manufacturing and technology knowledge, which is very helpful for us to do design.

Product chamfer,Processing technology,Product details,industrial design,product design,

Let's share with you some of the knowledge I learned about product chamfering when chatting with structural designers as ID design.



Quality of chamfer

If the chamfer command is used directly in rhino, the generated curve and surface are second-order, which will cause the curvature of the curve or surface to change, and eventually cause the generated surface chamfer to produce slight creases.

Through rhino software experiments, compare second-order and higher-order chamfers:

Product chamfer,Processing technology,Product details,industrial design,product design,

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The first time I heard this concept was in a software training institution, I was very confused at that time:

The second-order curve produced by chamfering is obviously tangent to the straight line, so why does it produce creases? Isn't it contrary to the known tangent principle? Is it a problem of production and processing?

In order to understand this problem, I found many physical products to compare. There are indeed some products with obvious creases at the chamfers, especially the surface with relatively smooth surface treatment.

I also asked several structural engineers. In fact, it is the principle of sudden change of curvature mentioned above. The control points of chamfering arc are too few, which leads to excessive smoothness of chamfering line and straight line, thus making the product slightly crease.


Under the experiment, use the curve tool in rhino to study the chamfer treatment of apples, use 4 points to control the chamfer, and achieve the G3 link.

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So how should we draw higher-order chamfers?



Method 1: Draw directly with 5th order curve

1. Use the chamfering tool to chamfer two straight lines-open the control points-add two more control points at the four chamfers respectively

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2. Use the 5th order curve to redraw the closed curve according to all control points at one time (pay attention to the curve not to pass the control points on the four vertices)

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Method 2: Mixed curve connection

Use the chamfering tool to chamfer two straight lines-blast the curve-delete the chamfering arc-perform curve mixing-and finally adjust the control points of the mixing curve until the ideal effect is achieved

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Method 3: Mixed Surface

Use the chamfering tool to chamfer the surface-blast the surface-delete the chamfered surface-perform surface mixing-finally adjust the mixing value-until the ideal effect is achieved

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Summary:

This concept does not mean that we will no longer use rhino's own chamfering tools, but that we need to use these two methods of chamfering flexibly for different products.

For example, what we do is mobile phones, air purifiers, stereos and other products. The chamfering part is already related to the design quality of the whole product. We need to have higher requirements on ourselves and make every round corner to the extreme. However, if we make a small chamfer for a product in order to prevent the water chestnut from being too sharp, then we can directly use rhino's own chamfering tool.


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The role of chamfering


Product chamfering can improve the beauty of the product, prevent sharp edge strokes, and achieve the effect of visual thinning of the product. I believe everyone is very clear about these three points.

Chamfering also has an engineering effect: increasing the force on the product.

Let's take an example first: why are most of our common bridges arched instead of being designed in a straight line or concave? Is it purely for beauty?

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Product chamfer,Processing technology,Product details,industrial design,product design,

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But there is a little mechanical consideration for the bridge:

1. Arched bridges can reduce the centripetal force when driving;

2. The arch makes the force on the bridge disperse to the left and right sides, reducing the force of single point concentration.

The arc chamfer in the product can also disperse the force, thus improving the overall force of the product.



For example:

Hanger

The vertical downward force on the left and right sides of the hanger is dispersed through the rounded corners, so that the hanger can withstand greater force

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Headlamp

The left and right and above the ring-shaped parts are designed to withstand greater lateral tension through the internal rounded corners.

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Summary


1. Pay more attention to details in product design. Sometimes a small chamfer can also affect the quality and beauty of the overall product;

2. Second-order chamfers are prone to creases in products, so it is recommended to use higher-order curves for larger chamfers in products to make products more refined;

3. product chamfering function: improve the beauty of the product, prevent sharp edge strokes, reduce the visual thickness of the product, and increase the stress of the product;

4. It is suggested that everyone should talk more with structural designers and electronic engineers and learn a lot, so that our thinking in designing products will be more open and we can think about design in multiple dimensions.


All right, that's all. Party A's father will let me use Rhino to change the rounded corner size and directly take these reasons back.

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Moderate 2023-01-13
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Yang Design You Should Learn Well

咩咩杨 2023-01-13
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PAPu 2023-01-13
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Since reading this article, Yang's design has become amazing.

咩咩杨 2023-01-13
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🆔傻仔👺🤏 2021-07-13
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OK

186****6983 2021-05-09
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It seems that this will not happen to other industrial software, ug. CATIA

葩葩 2021-03-08
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I saw the chamfering problem known in Yunshang rhinoceros class

囍欢 2020-11-25
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You can also try right-clicking on the chamfer icon. The inverted corner is also G2

I don't know a lot about the structure, so I'll pull out the shell and make the structure for him.

桂子 2020-09-11
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The engineer will hang me. how big is the chamfer? why is it not a perfect circle? give me the r angle mark

184****0653 2020-12-22
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True
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孟婆!来碗汤! 2020-09-04
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The upmaster shared this problem very well. Recently, I have encountered this kind of problem. When making a hand board, the curvature of the product changed too much, resulting in a trace on the rounded surface and the main surface. Large products can be seen very directly, while small products are difficult to see. At that time, because of this problem, I found a lot of information and read a lot on the Internet before I realized that this was a problem of smoothness of rounded corners. However, I used solidworks. At that time, I found out that the smooth surfaces were G0.G1,G2 and G3. Many teachers in our company do not know

小龙设计铺Owner 2020-09-04
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For products with large rounded corners, special attention should be paid to the quality of rounded corners, which directly affects the appearance of the product, especially for products with smooth surface treatment. If it is not done well, the effect will be more obvious.
孟婆!来碗汤! 2020-09-04
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Yes, I learned! It is very strange that many people do not know about this matter. It is only when they encounter problems that they know g0-g3 kind of smooth curved surface.
小龙设计铺Owner 2020-09-04
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Perhaps it is because the concept of tangent in the mathematical knowledge we have come into contact with since childhood has only learned the results, and there is no reason for learning, or it has not been implemented in the production of products. I also saw that some products have obvious traces before looking for the reason.
孟婆!来碗汤! 2020-09-04
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思维二象性 2020-08-31
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https://www.puxiang.com/galleries/ec7db38d27c91d5ce8bbb8b32e58c8eb我自己之前也有研究了一个犀牛顺滑圆角的绘制方法与套路,看懂UP的分享,于是我自己也上传了个到普像上,UP可以看看,一起讨论讨论哈 ~

15316761323 2020-08-28
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Dry goods

-滴哒哆 2020-08-28
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Reality: ID is chamfering, making small curved surfaces, and will buckle details crazily...
Export the file to the structural engineer, no matter G0-G1000000 your chamfer is... they will directly make a chamfer about your size .

小龙设计铺Owner 2020-08-28
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Haha, real
-滴哒哆 2020-08-28
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I have met many times, depressed, and have to explain for half a day each time
思维二象性 2020-08-31
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So keep the fillet line, so PROE can directly copy the line as the surface line, unless the surface is more complicated...
不差一分钱 2022-01-06
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After all, if you make a G2 chamfer, the structural engineer can't mark it out when he comes up with the size drawing, which can't make the mold design have a data reference, not an automobile product, generally G2 is OK, there is no need to dig G3,4
红豆泥 2024-04-24
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Ha, ha, ha, heart
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白bye 2020-08-27
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ID: Do you know what G0 G1 G2 is continuous?
ME: Hen

思维二象性 2020-08-31
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Indeed... I look at both rhinoceros and Proe. Proe should make a smooth curve, either adjust the control points slowly, or rhinoceros should drag Proe...
HL1072826 2020-09-04
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It shows that you are not good at learning. Proe can be set with continuous curvature
c365290586 2020-09-16
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c365290586 2020-09-16
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In fact, UG Proe rhinoceros all have G0 G1 G2 G3 options
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和光同尘 2020-08-26
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It seems that there are still more rhinoceros players in the general elephant.

Mix 2020-08-26
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Don't think too simply about apples. Apple is a super-curvature fillet, an arc connected with multiple arcs, not a fillet.

小龙设计铺Owner 2020-08-26
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Thank you for correcting it. It is also to use Apple's products to demonstrate the fillet problem mentioned above.
Mix 2020-08-26
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The summary is very good. Round corners and curvature round corners can be seen at a glance.
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